<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5941735446961225782</id><updated>2012-02-16T20:24:30.558-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Twistianty</title><subtitle type='html'>Exposing the differences between Mormonism and Christianity</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://mormontwistianity.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5941735446961225782/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://mormontwistianity.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Ex-Mo</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13947381388913145563</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='28' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_p-AWkwgdl6o/Sb6WVcXvSwI/AAAAAAAAAA0/7e6E9G605cA/S220/pharisees-cartoon.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>5</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5941735446961225782.post-5091699619054984845</id><published>2009-04-11T06:26:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2009-04-13T13:21:26.234-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The Cross</title><content type='html'>&lt;span xmlns=""&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; line-height:30.85pt"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Times New Roman';"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.5in;line-height:30.85pt"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;mso-fareast-Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:12.0pt;color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style=" line-height: 24px; font-size:16px;"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-tab-count:2"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 41px;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;mso-fareast-Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:12.0pt;color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style=" line-height: 24px; font-size:16px;"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-tab-count:2"&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.5in;line-height:150%"&gt;&lt;span style=" line-height: 150%; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size:12pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-tab-count:2"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;                     &lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;A subject that has come up several times recently is the cross.  I find today (good Friday, the day Jesus was crucified((I typed this last night)) a fitting time to discuss the differences between Mormonism and Christianity in regards to the Cross.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  Christians wear the cross to remember the great sacrifice made on a cross.  It was on the cross that the Lamb of God was sacrificed to fulfill the law.  The Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world (John 1:29) I never fully understood this passage of scripture until I better understood the Law of Moses.  For anyone who doesn't quite realize why it's so special that John recognized Jesus takes away the sins of the world, I'll elaborate a bit.  The Law of Moses requires that a sinner present an animal sacrifice a bull or goat.  There's a process that must be followed.  The problem with the sacrifice of bulls and goats is that they cannot take away sin, they only cover sin.  This had to be done anytime someone sinned, and once a year for the Nation of Israel.  The High priest would tie a rope around his ankle in the event he wasn't pure when he entered into the presence of God to give the sacrifice. If any impure person entered God's presence they would die instantly. He wore bells so that those on the other side of the veil could hear if he died and stopped moving, then they would pull him out by the rope. Hebrews 10 teaches us that the system under the Law of Moses was just a shadow of the things to come.  This had to be repeated over and over but could never provide perfect cleansing; they only covered the sins temporarily.  Jesus became the perfect sacrifice and his blood doesn't just cover sins up, it takes them away, they are forgotten.  The altar upon which the sins of the world were offered was the Cross.   &lt;br /&gt;  As a young Mormon I was told the symbol of the Cross was to be shunned, Mormon's didn't wear one, and they aren't on any of the buildings.  A common answer to why Mormon's didn't wear Crosses was: "If your brother was killed with a gun, would you wear the symbol of a gun around your neck?"  Mormonism teaches that Jesus atoned for the sins of the world in the garden of Gethsemane when he sweat "great drops like blood"  Of the four gospels, only Luke records anything about blood in the garden of Gethsemane.   What was recorded was that his sweat was great like drops of blood.  This does not say that he bled, but that his sweat was LIKE great drops of blood.  Also recorded in Luke's account is that an angel was there comforting him or strengthening him.  If Jesus was paying for the price of sin in the Garden, he was receiving strength from an Angel to do it.  One thing to recognize here is the lack of information about the events in the garden and the plethora of information about the events on the cross.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun:yes"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;If the great price for sin was paid in the garden and the apostles originally taught this before the great apostasy as Mormonism teaches, why is there only one account for it?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun:yes"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The account that is given BTW is by Luke, who wasn’t there, but interviewed people who were when he wrote his gospel. Luke was very thorough in his research.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun:yes"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Those who were close to Jesus during his ministry didn’t include every little detail, only what they felt or the spirit told them was relevant to the mission and message of Christ.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun:yes"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;John who was the disciple closest to Jesus barley mentions the garden at all, only to show where Jesus was when he was arrested.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun:yes"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;John’s account in his gospel however is very informative about what happened on the Cross.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun:yes"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.5in;line-height:150%"&gt;&lt;span style=" line-height: 150%; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); "&gt;&lt;span style="mso-tab-count:2"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;                        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun:yes"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Mormons claim that Jesus bled from every pore. This claim comes from Joseph Smith in a revelation recorded in Doctrine and Covenants chapter 19: 18, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit – and would that I might not drink the bitter cup, and Shrink-.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=" line-height: 150%; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="mso-tab-count:1"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;           &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;While researching this a little, I came across a blog where a girl wanted to know where in the Bible it mentions that Jesus bled from every pore, she and her friends looked all night and couldn't find anything.  I had to laugh a little, but in all honesty I'm sad for her.  I would hope that as she was searching and searching something would have clicked in her head and told her "it's not in here because it didn't happen that way"  &lt;br /&gt;    I posted up about the foundation for Christian studies website earlier, and I have to admit, I check it out often.  Even the church's main website isn't as bold as Mr. Schuster.  Under the topic of Christ's Atonement, Mr. Schuster enlightens us with this:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=" line-height: 150%; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.5in;line-height:150%"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=" line-height: 150%; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Crucifixion was Historically Common&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style=" line-height: 150%; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=" line-height: 150%; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;We can read biblical accounts of crucifixion dating back to the time of the Egyptians (Genesis 40:19) and the time of Esther. Historical records document that crucifixion was practiced among the Assyrians, Scythians, Indians, Germans, Greeks and Romans. Alexander the Great was said to have had two thousand Tyrians crucified as a consequence of their resistance following the conquest of Tyre. The physical pain of being crucified is thought to have been horrific, where often the crucified suffer death by suffocation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=" line-height: 150%; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=" line-height: 150%; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;While thousands have experienced the brutality of physical crucifixion, only one man has ever taken upon himself the sins of the world as Jesus Christ did in the Garden of Gethsemane. The agony of this ultimate act of selfless love is described in Luke 22:42-44, where Christ's sweat is described "...as great drops of blood." The anguish of Christ before taking upon him the sins of the world, and the resultant pain and suffering, are clearly described in scripture.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=" line-height: 150%; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=" line-height: 150%; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; line-height:150%"&gt;&lt;span style=" line-height: 150%; "&gt;&lt;span style="mso-tab-count:1"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Crucifixion was historically common?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun:yes"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I don't understand if Mr. Schuster is trying to suggest that Christians believe Jesus was the first and only to be crucified or not, but Mr. Schuster needs to read his Bible.  Genesis 40:19 says nothing about Crucifixion, it specifically mentions impalement though.  Impalement and Crucifixion are two different things, consider their definitions.  &lt;br /&gt;Impale:  to pierce with a sharpened stake thrust up through the body, as for torture or punishment.&lt;br /&gt;Crucify:   to put to death by nailing or binding the hands and feet to a cross.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="mso-tab-count:1"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Crucifixion was the cruelest means by which to die.  The manner in which one would hang would cause him to suffocate, they would try and pull themselves up against the nails in the hands and feet to be able to breathe.  The Cross was a slow and painful death. That Christ took on the sins of the world upon the cross is no secret. Paul taught the Colossians that through Jesus God reconciled everything to himself by means of Christ's blood ON THE CROSS. (Col 1:20) Peter also taught that Christ paid our debt for sin ON THE CROSS in 1Pet 2:24 He personally carried our sins in his body ON THE CROSS. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="mso-tab-count:1"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;What does the Cross mean to us? What Jesus said last on the cross: "it is finished". The debt has been paid, the work has been done and Jesus did it all. I am forever indebted to Him for what he did. I couldn't do it for myself and nothing I do in this life will make up for my sins, only the blood of Jesus. And because he did this we can be confident of our future with Him. Boldly enter into the throne of Grace as the author of the book of Hebrews puts it (Boldly! A far cry from having to tie a rope around your ankle incase you fall dead in the presence of God). We can enter boldly because the sacrifice made by Jesus, His blood on the Cross takes away our sin from the sight of God. Paul taught that we could look confidently forward to sharing God's Glory because of Faith in Jesus Christ. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="mso-tab-count:1"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;If you were to die right now what would happen to you? Where would you go? To Heaven? Or Hell? Most people answer this question with "I don't know". The "good news" is that we can know, we can be confident of our future. The gospel is that Jesus paid our debt and made us right before God. We need to believe in him to have his Grace. As Paul puts it in Romans 10:9, we must confess with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in our hearts that God raised him from the dead. We can have the confidence Paul talked about. If your answer to the question is "I don't know" or, "I think I've done more good that bad, so I don't think I should go to hell" You need to really search your heart and find out if you really know Jesus, do you really believe that he is Lord? Do you believe that he paid your debt for sin and that he rose from the dead? If you don't confidently know the answer to that question you need to do something about it. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="mso-tab-count:1"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Jesus is Lord! He is my King! He took my punishment for sin and made me right before God so I can boldly enter into the throne of Grace! He rose from the dead and conquered sin, death and the devil! I will go straight to the feet of Jesus when I leave this world, no question about it! Not because of anything I did or will do, but because of JESUS! His grace is all I need. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=" line-height:150%;font-family:&amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;mso-bidi-Times New Roman&amp;quot;font-family:&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;                  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Luke 22: 42 (42-44)." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/19/18b"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5941735446961225782-5091699619054984845?l=mormontwistianity.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://mormontwistianity.blogspot.com/feeds/5091699619054984845/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://mormontwistianity.blogspot.com/2009/04/cross.html#comment-form' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5941735446961225782/posts/default/5091699619054984845'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5941735446961225782/posts/default/5091699619054984845'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://mormontwistianity.blogspot.com/2009/04/cross.html' title='The Cross'/><author><name>Ex-Mo</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13947381388913145563</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='28' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_p-AWkwgdl6o/Sb6WVcXvSwI/AAAAAAAAAA0/7e6E9G605cA/S220/pharisees-cartoon.gif'/></author><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5941735446961225782.post-8219127410354214721</id><published>2009-03-18T07:17:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2009-03-18T07:52:25.354-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Salvation by Grace or Grace + Works?</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51);  font-size:13px;"&gt;&lt;h1 style="line-height: 110%; font-size: 200%; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; display: none; "&gt;Salvation By Grace or Grace + Works?&lt;/h1&gt;&lt;div id="previewbody"  style="display: block;  color: rgb(102, 102, 102); margin-left: 0.2em; font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;One of the most important differences between Mormonism and Christianity is Salvation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;That is what our hope is for.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;In Mormonism there is a different definition of salvation than in Christianity.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Christians believe that salvation is redemption from sin, being found blameless before God, without spot so that we may live in his presence in heaven.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Mormonism teaches that salvation is bodily resurrection from the grave to await judgment and exaltation is living in the presence of God in the highest kingdom of heaven. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;So to eliminate any confusion my use of the word salvation will mean the equivalent of the Mormon definition of living in God’s presence.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Again, that is our hope.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;There’s much more that could be spoken of first, but I’m not a writer and I happened to have studied this topic more than others.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;This was a big factor in my decision to leave the church and come to Jesus.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The Bible teaches that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ and that it is a free gift that we cannot earn (Eph 2:8-10) Jesus taught that the only work God wants of us is to Believe in His Son.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;(John 6:28) The New living Translation puts this very clearly and further in vs 63 we learn that human effort accomplishes nothing.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;This is the Gospel of Jesus Christ.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;God came to earth as a man, lived a perfect life, suffered and died taking our punishment and was raised up to a glorified resurrected body that all who believe in him could receive salvation through him.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Mormonism teaches something different.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Many of the details remain the same but the Twistianity comes in the form of works.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The Book of Mormon teaches that we are saved by grace AFTER all we can DO.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;(2Ne 25:23) Mormon.org teaches us the Mormon version of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It’s almost the same until they teach that we are still responsible to keep the commandments and first principals and ordinances of the gospel. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Now, here is where the big faith vs. works argument comes in and James chapter 2 gets quoted.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;And here is the difference between Christians and Mormons.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Mormons keep the commandments to earn grace. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;They DO all they can so that they might please God by their obedience and receive salvation based on their good works coupled with the atonement of Christ for the times they fell short (diluted grace).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Christians keep God’s commandments because they love him, they know and accept that they can do nothing for their salvation and that God has done it all and the fruits of their faith or their works are out of gratitude and love for God and the purpose of the fruit is to bring God glory.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;After all the very faith that saved them was a gift from God.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Now, Mormonism also teaches that some ordinances have to be done.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;There’s a ladder to climb.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;(This is how I was taught to teach it on my mission) After accepting Jesus as your savior, Joseph and the current church president as prophets, the Book of Mormon and others as scripture and agreeing to keep the commandments including the word of wisdom and tithing you need to be baptized.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;(Yes there will be a topic t about baptism, let’s stay on topic though)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;After baptism comes the receiving of the Holy Ghost by laying on of hands by a Melchezidek Priesthood holder.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Then males need to receive the two priesthoods, make their way to the office of Elder, receive their temple endowments and marry a worthy female for time and eternity in the temple.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;After all that is completed it’s a matter of enduring to the end.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;This is highly contradictory the Gospel taught in the Bible.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Paul warned the Galatians that any gospel other that the one he preached was no gospel at all, or in layman’s terms: Any good news that was different than the good news he taught wasn’t good news, it was bad news.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;It seems from the New Testament specifically the epistles; that the battle of faith vs. works for salvation started up almost at the beginning of the church.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;In most cases the culprits were Jewish Christians who believed that they should follow the law and also believe in Christ and tried to convince the gentile believers of following the law. This idea isn’t new; it was hatched by the devil himself.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;It is a religious and exclusive thought to claim that only the righteous or "good people" deserve to go to heaven.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Man cannot comprehend how a sinner can be accepted into heaven; it’s not fair he didn’t play by the rules, so man changes it to fit his own understanding or fairness.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The Bible is full of stories of undeserving people who found favor with God not because of their actions, but their faith.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The story of Jacob, Esau and the birthright is a perfect example of the undeserving receiving the reward.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 0.5in; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;We are a corrupted creature, without Faith there is nothing we can do to please God. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Works that are done with the intention to justify ourselves before God will only piss him off and bring his wrath upon you.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Imagine it’s your birthday and your spouse/children/parents come to you with a pretty box saying “you’re going to love this! I got you just what you wanted.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;You open the box and inside you find a pile of steamy stinky disgusting poo.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;That’s what Paul described our works for self justification is in the eyes of God.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Isaiah used the term filthy menstrual rags.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Gross huh?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;If you expect to live a “righteous life” with the intent of saying to God “look what I did!” your going to be judged according to what you did and it isn't going to turn out the way you planned.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Your works will never be good enough. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Faith in Jesus is what saves us and the faith that saves us bears fruit, this fruit doesn’t earn our ticket into heaven, the ticket was paid for and given to us when we believed.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The fruit isn’t even ours to claim, it is of the Spirit of God living in us.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 0.5in; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 0.5in; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;So, to sum this up: Mormonism teaches that you’re saved by a combination of grace and works.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Christianity teaches that you’re saved by grace alone. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;So ask yourselves, if you were to die tomorrow would you be going to heaven or hell? Have you repented of every single sin you ever committed? Did you really do all you could do? should you have done more? Or did Jesus do it all for you?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5941735446961225782-8219127410354214721?l=mormontwistianity.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://mormontwistianity.blogspot.com/feeds/8219127410354214721/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://mormontwistianity.blogspot.com/2009/03/salvation-by-grace-or-grace-works.html#comment-form' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5941735446961225782/posts/default/8219127410354214721'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5941735446961225782/posts/default/8219127410354214721'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://mormontwistianity.blogspot.com/2009/03/salvation-by-grace-or-grace-works.html' title='Salvation by Grace or Grace + Works?'/><author><name>Ex-Mo</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13947381388913145563</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='28' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_p-AWkwgdl6o/Sb6WVcXvSwI/AAAAAAAAAA0/7e6E9G605cA/S220/pharisees-cartoon.gif'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5941735446961225782.post-3704859453813408938</id><published>2009-03-04T22:49:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-03-16T09:12:45.462-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Twistianity or the new Christians</title><content type='html'>When telling a friend about this blog I realized that i should perhaps explain the word &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"&gt;Twistianity&lt;/span&gt;.  A friend of mine created it.  Shawn &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1"&gt;McCraney&lt;/span&gt; hosts a television show called Heart of the Matter.  You can see it on Channel 20 every &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2"&gt;Tuesday&lt;/span&gt; at 8:00 pm.  Shawn wrote a book that greatly helped me in finding Jesus.  I was a Born Again Mormon is a must read for anybody, especially &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3"&gt;Mormons&lt;/span&gt;.   The book really isn't what most Mormons probably would think it is - An anti-&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4"&gt;Mormon&lt;/span&gt; book that &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_5"&gt;bash's&lt;/span&gt; the church and their beliefs.  The first part of the book is about Shawn's experiences and what it is to be born again and why we need to be born again.  This is the part that helped me to realize my sin and that I was and always had been separated from God.  By the time I had read this book I had already read a great deal of information about church and had already made my mind up about it.  I had taken on the false idea that many have, that I am basically a good person and don't do anything terribly bad.  This idea has got to be one of Satan's top 10 ways to get a person to hell.   Most people I talk to have this same idea.  Now that I got a little bit sidetracked, onto the Topic &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_6"&gt;Twistianity&lt;/span&gt;.  &lt;div&gt;       This comes from &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_7"&gt;Mormonism&lt;/span&gt; claiming to be Christian by Twisting their beliefs and changing from the early church to what it is today.  Of course I'll be going further in depth on the doctrines and beliefs of the church and comparing them to Christianity, but for this posting it'll just be the change from Mormonism to Christian.  Consider what some of the early leaders of the church had to say about Christianity starting of course with Joseph Smith.  Any Mormon knows the story of Joseph's first vision, He was confused about which church to join, that he read James 1:5, went to a grove of trees, prayed and had a vision in which he claims to have seen God the Father and Jesus Christ.  The goal of his prayer was to learn which church he should join.  Joseph was told that they were all wrong, that he should join none of them and that they were an abomination to Him.  (&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_8"&gt;Joseph&lt;/span&gt; later joined the Methodist Church for a short time)   &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;  Brigham Young was quite out-spoken about the Christians and their beliefs:  &lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic;"&gt;While Brother Taylor was speaking of the sectarian world, it occurred to my mind that the wicked do knot know any more than the dumb brutes, comparatively speaking; but it is our business to hunt up and gather out all the honest portion of the nations of the earth, and give them salvation.  We may very properly say that the sectarian world do not know anything correctly, so far as pertains to salvation.  Ask them where heaven is? where are they going to when they die? where paradise is? and there is not a priest in the world that can answer your questions.  Ask them what kind of a being our Heavenly Father is, and they cannot tell you &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_9"&gt;so&lt;/span&gt; much more as &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_10"&gt;Balaam's&lt;/span&gt; ass told him.  They are more ignorant than children.  Journal of discourses 5:229&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic;"&gt; With regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world.  Journal of Discourses 9:199&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;  How about Brigham's successor, John Taylor:  &lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic;"&gt;There is no nation now that acknowledges that hand of God; there not a king, potentate, nor ruler that acknowledges his jurisdiction.  We talk about Christianity, but it is a perfect pack of nonsense.  Men talk about civilization; but I do not want to say much about that, for I have seen enough of it.  &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_11"&gt;Myself&lt;/span&gt; and hundreds of the Elders around me have seen it's pomp, parade, and glory; and what is it? It is a sounding brass and a tinkling &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_12"&gt;cymbal&lt;/span&gt;; it is as corrupt as Hell; and the Devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_13"&gt;nineteenth&lt;/span&gt; century.   Journal of Discourses 6:167&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic;"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There's plenty more, but those were my favorites.  Even in our day it was taught that there was a separation between Mormonism and Christianity, as a young boy in primary I remember being taught to label myself as a Mormon if anybody were to ask me my faith.  I recall a primary lesson on the differences between different religions and why the others were wrong, I have always recalled this because at the time I decided that if I wasn't going to be Mormon, I'd be Catholic.  (the leaders taught that &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_14"&gt;Mormonism&lt;/span&gt; and &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_15"&gt;Catholicism&lt;/span&gt; both valued a line of authority)   So even in my own day there were teachings of Mormonism not being Christian, but now that's all you hear about.  Look at any Mormon's &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_16"&gt;facebook&lt;/span&gt; or &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_17"&gt;myspace&lt;/span&gt; page, they all list themselves as:  Christian-&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_18"&gt;LDS&lt;/span&gt;.   I saw a book at Barnes and Noble titled "The Complete Christian" published by &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_19"&gt;Deseret&lt;/span&gt; Book.  I read the jacket and it had Book of Mormon quotes all over it, I plan to read the book, &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_20"&gt;i'm&lt;/span&gt; going to go out on a limb here and assume it talks much of following Christ's teachings, but also the teachings of Mormonism, and &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_21"&gt;I'm&lt;/span&gt; really going to stick my neck out and assume that it teaches one can only be a "complete christian" by &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_22"&gt;following&lt;/span&gt; the teachings of the church.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;  This next bit really disgusts me.  I learned about this website from Shawn &lt;a href="http://www.studychristianity.com/"&gt;http://www.studychristianity.com/&lt;/a&gt; The founder of the group also founded and runs a marketing research firm.  He's taken his marketing &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_23"&gt;knowledge&lt;/span&gt; and applied it to selling Mormonism as Christianity.  Note the Symbol of the dove and &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_24"&gt;icthus&lt;/span&gt;, but lack of the cross.  Those are two symbols you will not find on any &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_25"&gt;Mormon's&lt;/span&gt; bumper.  They are purely christian symbols, the dove is in the logo for the Calvary Chapels, never have they tied to &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_26"&gt;Mormonism&lt;/span&gt; or the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.  Yet here you see them on the website for the foundation for christian studies, which studies are all of &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_27"&gt;Mormon&lt;/span&gt; teachings. Read all about &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_28"&gt;pre&lt;/span&gt;-existence and how it is a key element of christian theology.  I don't think that christian theologians like Luther, Calvin or &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_29"&gt;Spurgeon&lt;/span&gt; would agree.  Every christian would disagree. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;  Read the bio for Eric &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_30"&gt;Shuster's&lt;/span&gt; blog on the page, he's a very intelligent accomplished person.  He owns/runs a marketing company, this guy knows how to make people want something.  Reading through his website I can see that he's very good at what he does.  And this is where the &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_31"&gt;Twistianity&lt;/span&gt; comes in.   Marketing.   The church started as a group of people who despised &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_32"&gt;Christians&lt;/span&gt;, and now is twisting their doctrines, history and beliefs into the ultimate definition of Christianity.    While on my mission I lived on the top floor of an apartment building in Berlin.  I loved to look down on the city and watch people walking, the traffic and life of the city, it seemed &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_33"&gt;peace full&lt;/span&gt; and elegant almost.  On the ground level though it was so much different.  Everyone was in a rush, it was hectic and hard to see the beauty of the city like I saw it from above.   From this I learned about perspective, and I want you to look at the Church from another perspective.  Not even a "could the church be wrong" perspective although if you do I won't stop you.  But look at the church from the beginning to where it is today as one picture and see how it has changed from what it was to what it is and what it's trying to become.  on the &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_34"&gt;ground&lt;/span&gt; level or inside the church, you see everything as the way it always was.  Look at a broader perspective though and you'll see that it wasn't always that way.    Isn't it odd that &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_35"&gt;Mormonism&lt;/span&gt; is now trying to become "christian"?  what's that old saying?  mimicking someone or something is the best form of flattery?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;  &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_36"&gt;Twistianity&lt;/span&gt; is what the &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_37"&gt;LDS&lt;/span&gt; church is doing to become the new &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_38"&gt;Christians&lt;/span&gt;.  They're putting on their &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_39"&gt;sheep's&lt;/span&gt; clothing and luring people in.  Yes it looks good, they do good things and encourage their people to be good.  A real Christian however would know that it doesn't matter how good we are, we can never be good enough.  It's only by God's grace that we can be justified before him.   Faith and Works will be an upcoming topic BTW.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5941735446961225782-3704859453813408938?l=mormontwistianity.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://mormontwistianity.blogspot.com/feeds/3704859453813408938/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://mormontwistianity.blogspot.com/2009/03/twistianity-or-new-christians.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5941735446961225782/posts/default/3704859453813408938'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5941735446961225782/posts/default/3704859453813408938'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://mormontwistianity.blogspot.com/2009/03/twistianity-or-new-christians.html' title='Twistianity or the new Christians'/><author><name>Ex-Mo</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13947381388913145563</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='28' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_p-AWkwgdl6o/Sb6WVcXvSwI/AAAAAAAAAA0/7e6E9G605cA/S220/pharisees-cartoon.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5941735446961225782.post-7176205051755716918</id><published>2009-03-04T17:06:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-03-04T17:09:48.712-08:00</updated><title type='text'>I forgot to mention</title><content type='html'>  I'm really busy.  Between two jobs and being a family man, I have little free time.  So this won't be a very active blog, maybe one posting a month, perhaps two.  Another reason for the slow blogging will be research.  Although I have my beliefs and knowledge of mormonism, I don't want to simply give my opinion, I will try to have references for the information in my posts.  &lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5941735446961225782-7176205051755716918?l=mormontwistianity.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://mormontwistianity.blogspot.com/feeds/7176205051755716918/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://mormontwistianity.blogspot.com/2009/03/i-forgot-to-mention.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5941735446961225782/posts/default/7176205051755716918'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5941735446961225782/posts/default/7176205051755716918'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://mormontwistianity.blogspot.com/2009/03/i-forgot-to-mention.html' title='I forgot to mention'/><author><name>Ex-Mo</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13947381388913145563</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='28' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_p-AWkwgdl6o/Sb6WVcXvSwI/AAAAAAAAAA0/7e6E9G605cA/S220/pharisees-cartoon.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5941735446961225782.post-376799637298849980</id><published>2009-03-04T16:30:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-03-16T11:01:50.282-07:00</updated><title type='text'>In the beginning.......</title><content type='html'>This will be my first posting.  I wanted to give a little bit of my background and also my vision for this blog.  I am an ex-&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"&gt;Mormon&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; who was raised in the church, lives in Utah ( I add this not because &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1"&gt;Utahns&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; are more faithful members, only to show that I had a sheltered life)  served a mission and married in the temple.   I came to know Jesus in Sept. of 2008 and have been on fire for Him since.  I spent approx. a year learning the truth about my former religion's true history before I came to Christ.  Ever since my re-birth, I have had a strong desire to share the truth with &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2"&gt;Mormons&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;.  I originally intended to start a blog about revealing true or fundamentalist &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3"&gt;Mormonism&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; to those who do not know about it.  After finding that there are a great amount of those kind of blogs out there already, I realized that I wasn't going to be sharing anything new.  As I searched through all these &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4"&gt;Mormon&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; blogs I &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_5"&gt;didn't&lt;/span&gt; find any that argued specifically why &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_6"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_5"&gt;Mormons&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; are not Christian.  There are plenty arguing why they are.  Many of the "anti-&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_7"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_6"&gt;Mormon&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;" blogs will cover this point, but I thought I would try to dedicate a blog to it.  &lt;div&gt;   Also, throughout my blog searching I found that many of the "anti-&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_8"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_7"&gt;Mormon&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;" blogs were not only critical to the church but also to it's members.  Many of these &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_9"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_8"&gt;bloggers&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; seemed very emotional through their &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_10"&gt;writings&lt;/span&gt;.  I will do my best to keep my emotions out of this blog.  I will try not to attack individuals keeping my focus on the doctrines of the church.  This won't be easy because many of the doctrines are up for interpretation by the membership (for example the word of wisdom, many &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_11"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_9"&gt;members&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; feel it is wrong to drink &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_12"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_10"&gt;caffeinated&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; beverages while others think it is OK)  And because the church has sent out it's members to blog on the &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_13"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_11"&gt;Internet&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; about &lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;their&lt;/span&gt; beliefs, there may come a time or two where it may appear that &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_12"&gt;I'm&lt;/span&gt; making a personal attack.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;  So let me first tell you how much I love the &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_14"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_13"&gt;Mormons&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;.  My entire family is still &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_15"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_14"&gt;Mormon&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;, most of my friends and co-workers are &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_16"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_15"&gt;Mormon&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;.  All of the people who played a role in my upbringing are &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_17"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_16"&gt;Mormon&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;.  I have a deep love for these people, they are who I would call the "very elect".  My deepest intent with this blog is to bring people out of &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_18"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_17"&gt;Mormonism&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; and to Christ.  Herein lies the reason for my topic.  Ask any &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_19"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_18"&gt;Mormon&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; if they are Christian and they will tell you yes.  The bold ones will tell you that &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_20"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_19"&gt;Mormons&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; are the most Christian people on this earth.  So this &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_21"&gt;blogs&lt;/span&gt; topic will be about the differences between &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_22"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_20"&gt;Mormonism&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; and biblical Christianity.  The ultimate goal being to show &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_23"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_21"&gt;Mormons&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; that they do not belong to Christ, and that they need to come to Him.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5941735446961225782-376799637298849980?l=mormontwistianity.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://mormontwistianity.blogspot.com/feeds/376799637298849980/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://mormontwistianity.blogspot.com/2009/03/in-beginning.html#comment-form' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5941735446961225782/posts/default/376799637298849980'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5941735446961225782/posts/default/376799637298849980'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://mormontwistianity.blogspot.com/2009/03/in-beginning.html' title='In the 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